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 Posted: Thu Jan 1st, 2009 04:13 pm
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I regret to inform you that the script you submitted for MadLab's Theatre Roulette shorts festival was not accepted.  There were a great many submissions so there was a lot to choose from.  Please understand that we greatly appreciate your submission and hope that you will submit in the future as we value your work as a playwright.  

Thank you so much.

   
Andy Batt Managing Director
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Couldn't he at least have waited until January the 2nd?



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 Posted: Thu Jan 1st, 2009 04:34 pm
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Did he send that by email today???????

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Yes, I received it just a few minutes before I posted it here.

I don't mind the rejection, at least he bothered, but it's not the kind of thing I want to receive on a day when I'm trying to be positive about what I hope to achieve over the coming year.

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I got the same one!!!! You're right...they could have waited. I'll bet it's the guys day off work and his only chance to do it :)

Their loss...

Vanessa

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Unbelievable! Done with all the tact and sensitivity of a jackhammer. 

What was he thinking???

H.

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I got one of those too. Haven't looked it up yet on my submission tracker, so I'm not even sure which ten minute play(s) they were rejecting. I think mine came on the 31st but I'm not sure.

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But, look at it this way...there is only UP from here!

best,

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Mana: 
I got one of these, too--and I've seen a lot of people griping about the "timing."

But if you look(ed) at the original submission info, it quite clearly says that they would announce their selections/non-selections on Jan. 2.

http://www.madlab.net/tr2009guide.htm

I give them kudos for hitting the mark as promised.

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I don’t think people here would be “griping” as you put it, if these people had actually “hit the mark as promised.” The fact is, they didn’t and deserve no kudos. They sent out rejections to writers on January 1, not January 2, (“as promised”) , and whichever way you look at it, that’s pretty crappy way to behave on a day that people are celebrating and looking forward with optimism to a new year of renewed hope and opportunity. 

I give them an F.

H.

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I wasn't aware that there were accepted Rules of Behavior for sending rejection notices, Harvey. Nor that there were certain dates on which they should not be sent. Golly, I stand corrected.

Of course, if this thread had been about their sending acceptance notes on January 1, you'd probably be praising them for being clever enough to send it on a day when everyone is "celebrating."

Honestly, Harvey. Down off the high horse. A rejection's a rejection no matter the day, and you crumple them up and toss them out just as readily on New Years' Day as you would on another day and you move along.


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I'm with Shannon.  It would have sucked to get it New Year's Eve -- that's the party night.  New Year's Day -- fair game in my book.  That's the day Christmas starts getting put in the drawer, and I think a theater starting the New Year with taking care of some business is okay.

--Kato

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Oh, Shanahan, if you don’t get it, then I can’t explain it to you. But I will try. You see, there is a right way of doing things and a wrong way. There is tact and diplomacy and there is a lack thereof. Sending out rejection notices on the very first day of the year displays a distinct absence of the aforementioned. 

“We thoroughly enjoyed your play, but unfortunately it doesn’t fit in with our season this year.” Right. “We laughed at your play for all the wrong reasons and strenuously suggest you find an alternative pastime, as we believe you are wasting your time, you talentless hack.” Wrong.

Several people here received this group’s poorly timed rejection and felt appalled enough by it’s timing to mention it here on the forum. I agreed with their thoughts and said so. To call them “gripers” is, to me, rather spiteful.

All of us here are well aware of the nature of the business and what comes with the territory. I, myself, have stated on many posts in the past of the value of ignoring and moving on from rejection notices. It’s all so much of a crap shoot and you cannot take that kind of thing personally. But this was about common decency. They only had to wait 24 hours to allow people to still enjoy the warm glow of the fist day of the new year, ripe with possibilities. 

Obviously you don’t agree. That’s your business. But for those of us that still wish to cling to the hope that a little respect and consideration can be afforded to a playwright, for heaven’s sake let us be.

H.

P.S: I will gladly dismount my horse when you have kindly removed your bull from my china shop.

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Muncy got a REJECTION LETTER

Not Bulimia

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We all are allowed to see things diffrently...thank goodness. Playwrights need diffrent perspectives, or the world would be limited to one playwright...

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to puke up my last meal... :)

Vanessa

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Vanessa

Looks like you went and scared off Lisa 11.  she's hopped it

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While the timing of the letter may not have been the strongest choice -- the fact that the folks at the theater thought taht it was important to let people not included on the finalist list BEFORE the list is announced -- is commendable.

Because the announcements would be mad by Jan. 2nd -- Doing it Jan. 1 is not this tasteless offense that is being balked about.

This also brings to mind a question -- how many of the folks on this thread make it a regular practice to produce (or help with the production) of new work by fellow playwrights (not just production of your own work.)

I know that Shanahan produces plays by other playwrights -- and I believe that she speaks with the experience of a person who has been in the producer's chair.

--Kato

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For the love of God, Kato, it’s a question of tact, as opposed to tacky. It’s not rocket science.


I don’t wish to be rude, I honestly don’t, but if you can’t comprehend the inappropriateness of sending out rejection letters on New Year’s Day, then we are obviously on different planes.

And for the record, this group (who seem like a very decent bunch, despite this regrettable faux pas) clearly stated on their website that applicants would be informed on January 2nd – not 1st, but 2nd, of their decision. Which, Kato and and Shanahan, would be "commendable" had they done that. But they didn’t. Do you get it? 


I don’t know what else to say. Oh, except, Kato…Shanahan is a man, not a woman.

H.

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Good grief!  With all the energy having gone into this thread, you could all have written one minute plays for my contest--which actually has something to do with playwriting.  :>)


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Happy New Year, Edd!

Edd wrote: Good grief!  With all the energy having gone into this thread, you could all have written one minute plays for my contest--which actually has something to do with playwriting.  :>)



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Nobody's perfect...


HarveyRabbit wrote:

Oh, except, Kato…Shanahan is a man, not a woman.

H.


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HarveyRabbit wrote: I don’t wish to be rude, I honestly don’t, but if you can’t comprehend the inappropriateness of sending out rejection letters on New Year’s Day, then we are obviously on different planes.
New Year's Eve is the REAL holiday... New Year's Day -- blech.

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You're right, Edd, but I'm spinning my wheels right now and have been following this interesting thread, which might really be about artistic sensitivity and sensibilities.

Also, I, too, received the apparently cookie-cutter rejection on Jan. 1. Although I was struck by the timing, I was more disconcerted by the opening and its chill echo of U.S. military telegrams.  In stark contrast, yesterday I received a lovely (truly) personalized rejection from EBE Ensemble. Which theater am I more likely to submit to in the future?

I don't feel I need to jump at every opportunity these days, so I'm voting with my feet, as it were. At the top of my "do not ever under any circumstances send a play to that homunculus" list is the artistic director who accepted one of my plays for a one-act festival, then dumped an evening's slate of plays (mine among them) for a karaoke night. I found out when he emailed me the tech schedule and my play was no longer listed. Slick.

As we know all too well, every contest and festival gets hundreds of submissions. Some ADs treasure the playwrights who make their contests and festivals possible; others feed their egos on the mountain of scripts. We get to choose where we send our plays.

Edd, I wish I had a play to send you! You not only treasure but inspire playwrights. Could you please become an AD somewhere?

Happy New Year, everyone!

kris


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I've had friendly notes from Andy Batt. I was no more than slightly nonplussed, personally, by the form rejection, but I will check out EBE Ensemble for sure.

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